RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by mghe » 2021/01/22 06:50:04

Anyone know about migrate path from CentOS to RHEL will be available or I have to install RHEL from scratch?

answer here: https://access.redhat.com/articles/2360841
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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by gosha » 2021/01/22 08:12:44

George99 wrote:
2021/01/20 20:13:53
You are allowed to set up up to 16 machines free of charge with a developer account. And from February on also for commercial purposes.
There is a 3 developers subscriptions from $99 up to $5k, which is allows us to setup up to 16 machines?

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by sml » 2021/01/22 11:03:15

From the announcement:
The updated Individual Developer subscription for RHEL will be available no later than February 1, 2021.

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by George99 » 2021/01/22 13:43:54

gosha wrote:
2021/01/22 08:12:44
There is a 3 developers subscriptions from $99 up to $5k, which is allows us to setup up to 16 machines?
The cost-free one: https://developers.redhat.com/articles/ ... rise-linux

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by rliegh » 2021/01/27 00:09:22

I have the free developer account, and it's already been bumped up to allow 16 "entitlements" (machines?) and 128 sockets.

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by username » 2021/01/27 22:37:17

January 2021 : Converting all my CentOS boxes to Oracle Linux on New Year's Day using the script centos2OL (https://github.com/oracle/centos2ol)).

July 2021 : Oracle Linux subscription-free program is canceled. Subscription fees starting at 700$.

August 2021 : Converting 16 CentOS boxes to RHEL using their free subscription service and the convert2RHEL script during my holidays in the Maldives (https://github.com/oamg/convert2rhel).

December 2021 : Red Hat suddenly cancels its freebee program.

January 2022 : Converting all my RHEL boxes to Rocky Linux again drunk on New Year's Day using the script rhel2rocky (https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/centos- ... ing/270/18).

July 2022 : Rocky Linux is canceled after the failure of its crowdfunding campaign. The team can't pay the infrastructure and lacks of contributors.

August 2022 : Doing distro-sync on Springdale Linux repos.

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Maybe I will just install Debian tomorrow ...

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by desertcat » 2021/01/28 02:13:08

username wrote:
2021/01/27 22:37:17
January 2021 : Converting all my CentOS boxes to Oracle Linux on New Year's Day using the script centos2OL (https://github.com/oracle/centos2ol)).

July 2021 : Oracle Linux subscription-free program is canceled. Subscription fees starting at 700$.

August 2021 : Converting 16 CentOS boxes to RHEL using their free subscription service and the convert2RHEL script during my holidays in the Maldives (https://github.com/oamg/convert2rhel).

December 2021 : Red Hat suddenly cancels its freebee program.

January 2022 : Converting all my RHEL boxes to Rocky Linux again drunk on New Year's Day using the script rhel2rocky (https://forums.rockylinux.org/t/centos- ... ing/270/18).

July 2022 : Rocky Linux is canceled after the failure of its crowdfunding campaign. The team can't pay the infrastructure and lacks of contributors.

August 2022 : Doing distro-sync on Springdale Linux repos.

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Maybe I will just install Debian tomorrow ...
You indeed to be a pessimist... but I'll drink to that!! There is one distro I've heard of that I thought I'd investigate and kick some tires -- doing a lot of that lately -- and that is Springdale Linux, so I let my fingers do some walking. SIGH!!! This is NOT a regularly updated distro -- they have a total of 5 releases. PERIOD!! Rocky Linux seems to be my best bet, and hope your depressing prediction for its future is WRONG!! There is one thing I will NOT do: CONVERT TO RHEL even if it is "FREE". Red Hat has a nasty habit of pulling the rug out from under you just as you have become comfortable with them. I had been using CentOS since the early days of CentOS 5.x, then 6.x, then 7.x, and was looking forward to 8.x and beyond. Red Hat has always, it seems, managed to do some stupid thing. The most recent thing was doing away with support for KDE, so I was already starting to consider bailing out, but this sudden shafting of converting the CentOS Community to a Red Hat Bug Testing Army for the next version of RHEL is a bridge too far. Even Rocky Linux if they follow through with their bug-for-bug copy of RHEL might only be a band-aid on a much greater problem: Red Hat has taken to getting rid of popular programs such as KDE, some other DE as Cinnamon, some Multi Media and other programs. RHEL is becoming a GNOME ONLY OS. That said, at least for the time being, I could survive on Rocky Linux at least through RL 8, but probably not much beyond that since -- while you can hop, skip, and jump through a number of hoops, you still can have KDE. Come RHEL 9.x I think even that goes away. This is where a true fork from RHEL's bug-for-bug copy would be welcome, that being if Rocky Linux offered more than what RHEL's GNOME Centric OS. That said Rocky Linux is more than good enough for me.

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by jlehtone » 2021/01/28 08:59:05

@username: You optimist. Simple oneshot scripts that do not fault ... :P
desertcat wrote:
2021/01/28 02:13:08
Red Hat has always, it seems, managed to do some stupid thing.
They are humans like us?
desertcat wrote:
2021/01/28 02:13:08
This is where a true fork from RHEL's bug-for-bug copy would be welcome.
The bug-for-bug goal is/was the selling point of CentOS Linux.
If you want something that is definitely-not-bug-for-bug, then that is a quite different project. So is Debian.

Aren't Oracle Linux and CloudLinux not-bug-for-bug? They replace some components (like kernel)?
Scientific and Springdale; did both supply additional (scientific) packages in their repos?
CentOS SIGs have small repositories. Is their content not-from-RHEL unlike base CentOS Linux?

There is Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL). For example, EPEL has MATE for el7.
Not for el8 though; the maintainer chose to quit. Yes, EPEL has many maintainers. Volunteers.
You could maintain EPEL build of DE of your choice for el8/el9/...

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by anglican » 2021/01/28 10:23:10

desertcat wrote:
2021/01/28 02:13:08

There is one distro I've heard of that I thought I'd investigate and kick some tires -- doing a lot of that lately -- and that is Springdale Linux, so I let my fingers do some walking. SIGH!!! This is NOT a regularly updated distro -- they have a total of 5 releases. PERIOD!!
Could you explain where you get this from. I've used Springdale for about five years and it is regularly updated. There are regular releases, see:

https://groups.google.com/g/springdale-announce

FWIW I've found Springdale to be a good choice in an academic environment.

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Re: RHEL as a replacement for CentOS?

Post by desertcat » 2021/01/29 09:12:51

anglican wrote:
2021/01/28 10:23:10
desertcat wrote:
2021/01/28 02:13:08

There is one distro I've heard of that I thought I'd investigate and kick some tires -- doing a lot of that lately -- and that is Springdale Linux, so I let my fingers do some walking. SIGH!!! This is NOT a regularly updated distro -- they have a total of 5 releases. PERIOD!!
Could you explain where you get this from. I've used Springdale for about five years and it is regularly updated. There are regular releases, see:

https://groups.google.com/g/springdale-announce

FWIW I've found Springdale to be a good choice in an academic environment.
OK here is where I found it:

http://springdale.math.ias.edu/

I guess it could be a matter of interpretation as well as the state of made of the reader at any given time.
That said what i came away with is they support 5.11, 6.10, 7.9 in both i386 and x86_64 versions...

or maybe 6.6 and 6.8; 7.3 and 7.9; and eventually 8.3 in both i386 and x86_64

So as I read it, where as the normal sequence starts at x.0 and then terminates at x.Z having gone through .1; .2; .3..... to .Z. Thus Springdale selects particular point releases that they maintain and update, but bypass other point releases. Thus where CentOS maybe at say 7.5 Springdale is still at 7.3. This approach has both its advantages, and its drawbacks. It could also simply be the way I am reading it. When RHEL 8.4 comes out will there be a Springdale 8.4?

That said Springdale Linux has made it onto my RADAR of Shortlist Distros To-Be-Further-Investigated.

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