Hello all,
so RedHat just as Micro$oft now wants their users to do the beta testing?
hm....
1) yeah short term support of an OS sucks (just ask apple Macbook Pro users X-D.... luckily GNU Linux also runs on them)
https://dwaves.de/2021/02/27/pure-beaut ... ust-works/
as with all products (soft- or hardware (imho even cars)) a
"guarantee to work for 10 years" should be mandatory by US-EU-law, thus minimizing trash produced and admins having to reinstall from scratch over and over again (here virtual machines really come in handy... as they are just files that get copied to the new machine... speaking of waste: that sometimes (such as plastic) can only be recycled to 50%
https://www.nabu.de/umwelt-und-ressourc ... 22033.html (actually imho thats probably already a lot, more can be done here)
so no LTS (long term support) really costs time and money... (another great distro GNU Debian does not give any guarantees, there is voluntary work done to make a 5 year LTS Debian
https://www.debian.org/lts/, ubtuntu has 5 years of LTS
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS)
so yes there RedHat could really make a commitment and say CentOS8 gets at least 5 years of support.
a Micro$oft admin would say "great, more work for me means more bucks for me", but that compromises the "DON'T BE EVIL" guideline (that Google dropped to make mor buck$)
2) first thought naming a GNU Linux distro "rocky" could be a marketing problem, but after reading this..
"The new project's name is a tribute to CentOS co-founder Rocky McGaugh. "He is no longer with us, so as a H/T to him, who never got to see the success that CentOS came to be, I introduce to you... Rocky Linux," said Kurtzer."
convinced me otherwise
"The problem with CentOS Stream is that it is a development build, although one that is only just ahead of the production release of RHEL. This makes it unsuitable for production use."
"a community enterprise operating system designed to be 100 per cent bug-for-bug compatible with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)".
https://www.theregister.com/2020/12/10/rocky_linux/
Q: What is the vision for Rocky Linux?
A solid, stable, and transparent alternative for production environments, developed by the community for the community.
Q: What do you mean, "CentOS has shifted direction?"
The CentOS project recently announced a shift in strategy for CentOS. Whereas previously CentOS existed as a downstream build of its upstream vendor (it receives patches and updates after the upstream vendor does), it will be shifting to an upstream build (testing patches and updates before inclusion in the upstream vendor).
Additionally, support for CentOS Linux 8 has been cut short, from May 31, 2029 to December 31, 2021.
Q: So where does Rocky Linux come in?
Rocky Linux aims to function as a downstream build as CentOS had done previously, building releases after they have been added to the upstream vendor, not before.
show me the src
https://github.com/rocky-linux/rocky
CentOS Stream is a developer-forward distribution that aims to help community members, Red Hat partners and others take full advantage of open source innovation within a more stable and predictable Linux ecosystem. Its content is what Red Hat intends to be in the next update of a stable RHEL release. It is free for anyone to download, use, study, modify, and redistribute (with the exception of the CentOS trademarks, which are owned by Red Hat). CentOS Stream is a distribution that community members can use to take advantage of a stable ABI/API for development and testing, while still seeing some updates on an accelerated basis.
https://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/CentOSStrea ... _Stream.3F
what is great about CentOS also:
usually compiling the latest kernel works quiet well (even less supported)
... up to date had no problems installing latest GNU Linux kernel to CentOS7 (so did quiet a bit of beta latest-kernel testing already)
(already outdated latest version as of writing this
https://centos.mirror.snu.edu.in/centos ... 5-boot.iso)
have recently installed CentOS-Stream-8-x86_64-20210215-boot.iso as virtualbox 6.1 guest machine on GNU Linux Debian 10 host, after fiddeling with the repo, it worked but did no extensive or long term testing.
here are the screen recordings...
https://dwaves.de/upload/videos/CentOS8 ... 021-03.mp4
https://dwaves.de/upload/videos/CentOS8 ... 021-03.mp4
<- what software selection is ur favorite choice? (mine for servers is definitely as minimal as possible)
<- are u guys using the "security policy" function?
https://dwaves.de/2019/08/15/update-202 ... epository/
"From the outside, it may appear that the way we build RHEL (and thus the CentOS Linux content) hasn’t changed in a decade. But beneath the covers, we’re pulling off a monumental transformation of how we develop RHEL without impacting our customers."
continuous integration ->"The “Always Ready RHEL” effort now continues with continuous delivery, which you now know as CentOS Stream"
"Each of these changes, whether bug fixes or features, is tested via automated tests and verified by Quality Engineering processes before landing in CentOS Stream."
https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/centos- ... -delivery/
imho what would be critical, that there is some sort of easy build-in error reporting and also fast error-fixing for CentOS8stream to make it usable and get fast beyond beta instabilities, so if RedHat wants the admin-users to test their software, they should give free support to them
PS: Has anyone already seen rocky and took a tested drive in a virtual machine?
PSS: "continuous integration"... does that mean what i think it means "hello here is customer x, there is problem x1" "hang on... will fix it and deploy immediately to ur system... done" "hello here is customer x again, yes probelm x1 is fixed, but now we have problem x2, x3 and x4"
PSS: Stream or Scream?
so guess... every responsible admin will have to do some testing... but still the majority of testing (which most of can be done automated) needs to be done on the software vendor side, to assure stability, security and performance.
and yes... before every update, there should be backups.