What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

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What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

I can use either CentOS Linux or Stream and it makes no difference to me
17
13%
I will switch reluctantly to CentOS Stream but I'd rather not
8
6%
I depend on CentOS Linux 8 and its stability and now I need a new alternative
28
22%
I love the idea of CentOS Stream and can't wait to use it
11
8%
I'm off to a different distribution before CentOS 8 sunsets at the end of 2021
25
19%
I feel completely betrayed by this decision and will avoid Red Hat solutions in future
41
32%
 
Total votes: 130

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by jimbux » 2021/02/25 17:46:03

tunk wrote:
2021/02/25 17:39:17
All Linux distros are open source, i.e.; RedHat is open source, so anyone can copy it and build it and use it (right?).
Not quite: many RHEL packages use a BSD license, and AFAIK, they're not required to release the source code of these.
Ah! Important info. Thx Tunk.

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by gjakob » 2021/02/25 19:22:47

TrevorH wrote:
2021/02/25 16:51:12
Stream is not suitable to run in a production environment. It's a beta of the next RHEL and breaks regularly.
Could you please back up this statement with any references?

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by TrevorH » 2021/02/25 19:43:42

It's the definition of what Stream is. It gets updates that are not yet available for RHEL and will not be until the release of the next point release. They are using you to beta test the next point release of RHEL.
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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by jlehtone » 2021/02/25 23:27:06

gjakob wrote:
2021/02/25 16:34:54
So e.g. three free developer accounts associated with the corresponding number of e-mail accounts would already be sufficient to run close to 50 systems! :)
That sounds like you suggest one individual to register multiple subscriptions. I'm quite sure that would be a violation of the license.

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by phalantice » 2021/02/26 02:47:12

Redhat seems to be getting stupid now that ibm owns them. First they nuter the kernel and take out the mpt2sas ids instead of a reasonable method if depericiation, now this quite disapointing

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by gjakob » 2021/02/26 06:58:55

TrevorH wrote:
2021/02/25 19:43:42
It's the definition of what Stream is. It gets updates that are not yet available for RHEL and will not be until the release of the next point release. They are using you to beta test the next point release of RHEL.
Sorry, but the distribution FAQ clearly states that Stream will not be "the RHEL beta test platform". So is the FAQ wrong or you? And what evidence do you have for your other statement that Stream supposedly breaks regularly?

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by gjakob » 2021/02/26 07:57:10

TrevorH wrote:
2021/02/25 16:25:48
Because there are quite severe license restrictions on the "free" developer account. No more than 16 systems. "Individual" production use only, whatever that means.
By the way, I cannot find anything of what you have mentioned in the license agreement https://www.redhat.com/licenses/Enterpr ... 180416.pdf.
What other sources do your statements refer to?
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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by jlehtone » 2021/02/26 08:46:39

gjakob wrote:
2021/02/26 06:58:55
Sorry, but the distribution FAQ clearly states that Stream will not be "the RHEL beta test platform".
The FAQ writes also:
CentOS Stream content will include content intended for inclusion in the next RHEL minor release.
How does "public beta" differ from "preview" of content intended for next release?

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by gjakob » 2021/02/26 09:01:31

jlehtone wrote:
2021/02/26 08:46:39
gjakob wrote:
2021/02/26 06:58:55
Sorry, but the distribution FAQ clearly states that Stream will not be "the RHEL beta test platform".
The FAQ writes also:
CentOS Stream content will include content intended for inclusion in the next RHEL minor release.
How does "public beta" differ from "preview" of content intended for next release?
If you try Google regarding the definition of "beta version", you get the following: "a version of a piece of software that is made available for testing, typically by a limited number of users outside the company that is developing it, before its general release."
In contrast to that (if I understand the already published development process for Stream correctly) the packages that are being released in the repos of Stream (as "preview" for the next RHEL minor release) have already passed the QA testing process of RHEL. So if that's true, it clearly differs from a beta.
See also https://centos.org/distro-faq/#q5-does- ... atform-now

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by Thraex » 2021/02/26 14:05:20

Semantics aside, Stream is different from what CentOS was and what its userbase used it for - a compatible free version of the current RHEL version. As for RHEL allowing free production licenses now, how long until they pull the rug out? After CentOS 8's EOL jumped forward 9 years I have no faith in RHEL allowing free production use indefinitely.

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