What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Red Hat recently announced that CentOS Linux 8 would go out of support early. Instead of being supported until 2029, the new sunset date is the end of 2021, around 7 years early. They suggest that CentOS Linux 8 all switch to CentOS Stream which is a "rolling" preview of the next RHEL point release, the one that has yet to enter beta for 8.4 for example.
What do you think of this decision?
What do you think of this decision?
The future appears to be RHEL or Debian. I think I'm going Debian.
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Info for USB installs on http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/InstallFromUSBkey
CentOS 5 and 6 are deadest, do not use them.
Use the FAQ Luke
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Trevor,
See my post viewtopic.php?t=76600&p=322308#p322308 for my thoughts on the matter.
See my post viewtopic.php?t=76600&p=322308#p322308 for my thoughts on the matter.
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Thinking makes brain hurt. Bertrand Russell: “Most people would rather die than think and many of them do!”
As I understood it, the "CentOS Stream" of the announcement does not exists yet. Not enough info to say yet whether it can be used.
Have I become grumpy and old, when any change is reluctant?
CentOS Linux 8 will go away, so it has to be replaced with something. Even Stream is a "different distro". As said, realistic options will be known later next year.
An idea can be great. The idea of traveling to Mars is nice too, but someone else can do it.
Hardly "betrayed". "Bemused"?
As I understood it, the "CentOS Stream" of the announcement does not exists yet. Not enough info to say yet whether it can be used.
Have I become grumpy and old, when any change is reluctant?
CentOS Linux 8 will go away, so it has to be replaced with something. Even Stream is a "different distro". As said, realistic options will be known later next year.
An idea can be great. The idea of traveling to Mars is nice too, but someone else can do it.
Hardly "betrayed". "Bemused"?
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Sorry, jlehtone, but Centos Stream already exists and it's pretty clear it's a (probably unstable) "what next RHEL will be" with packages to be tested by users.
People can think as much as they can without making their brain hurting but perhaps should read more before posting.
But still...............
Best Wishes
People can think as much as they can without making their brain hurting but perhaps should read more before posting.
But still...............
Best Wishes
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Indeed. The CentOS developers have clearly stated (on the mailing lists) that the CentOS Stream that has existed up to now has been (and still is) different from what it will be in the future. (Hence the 'the "CentOS Stream" of the announcement'.) The estimate is that by end of 2021Q1 we might be able to see the CentOS Stream that Red Hat now speaks highly of "in action". Not now. Not yet. How packages are built for Stream (and who will do it) is supposed to change drastically from what it has been so far.
That is why -- for time being -- I'll give benefit of doubt to Stream, i.e. will not even look at its direction yet. Thou shalt not eat fruit that is not ripe.
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Red Hat was great because the ecosystem. CentOS was the plankton in the Red Had ecosystem. No CentOS means the big red whale will starve to death, given time.
Thar She Blows!! Ha ha ha!
Thar She Blows!! Ha ha ha!
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Hello to all.
I just installed Centos 8 on a VPS, but long term support is needed. A rolling distro is a risk for a server. Please, what would you recommend that it is stable for a web server?.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Best regards
I just installed Centos 8 on a VPS, but long term support is needed. A rolling distro is a risk for a server. Please, what would you recommend that it is stable for a web server?.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Best regards
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Note that you have some time, CentOS-8 will be supported till December, 2021. Currently, the most RedHat like version available is Oracle Linux, and they have a script to allow you to migrate from CentOS to their version.
Cloud Linux is planning a version to be RH compatible in the first quarter of 2021, and one of the original CentOS developers is going to start creating Rocky Linux. However, neither of those two have anything available yet.
Judging from other threads on the forum and CentOS mailing lists, other possibilities are Ubuntu server with LTS, Debian Stable, and FreeBSD. Working in a FreeBSD shop, I like it, and support for a point release is supposed to be for 5 years, but within that point release, the version you install may go EOL within a couple of years, e.g., FreeBSD-12.x will be supported but 12.1 won't be and you'll have to upgrade to 12.2. Unlike CentOS, FreeBSD does have tools that usually work for updating in place. I imagine Debian does too, back when I used it frequently, one of its big selling points was how easy it was to upgrade, whereas RedHat upgrades were always an adventure.
That being said, my personal experience of Fedora has had smooth updates in place from 30, to 31, to 32, to 33, but these weren't production systems and didn't have that much on them.
Anyway, as the anger begins to die down, some people are realizing that in a lot of situations, Stream may actually meet their needs. As I understand it, these won't be daring upgrades, but small ones, as in the way there was an upgrade to CentOS-8.3.
HOWEVER: Don't take any of this as more than one person's opinion. If any of the ideas appeal to you, please research them more thoroughly, especially if it's a production system.
Cloud Linux is planning a version to be RH compatible in the first quarter of 2021, and one of the original CentOS developers is going to start creating Rocky Linux. However, neither of those two have anything available yet.
Judging from other threads on the forum and CentOS mailing lists, other possibilities are Ubuntu server with LTS, Debian Stable, and FreeBSD. Working in a FreeBSD shop, I like it, and support for a point release is supposed to be for 5 years, but within that point release, the version you install may go EOL within a couple of years, e.g., FreeBSD-12.x will be supported but 12.1 won't be and you'll have to upgrade to 12.2. Unlike CentOS, FreeBSD does have tools that usually work for updating in place. I imagine Debian does too, back when I used it frequently, one of its big selling points was how easy it was to upgrade, whereas RedHat upgrades were always an adventure.
That being said, my personal experience of Fedora has had smooth updates in place from 30, to 31, to 32, to 33, but these weren't production systems and didn't have that much on them.
Anyway, as the anger begins to die down, some people are realizing that in a lot of situations, Stream may actually meet their needs. As I understand it, these won't be daring upgrades, but small ones, as in the way there was an upgrade to CentOS-8.3.
HOWEVER: Don't take any of this as more than one person's opinion. If any of the ideas appeal to you, please research them more thoroughly, especially if it's a production system.
New users should check the FAQ and Read Me First pages
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Yet another rebuild is Springdale (formerly PUIAS). This project actually started before CentOS.
CentOS Forum FAQ
Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?
Thanks a lot scottro for your time and detailed answer.
Too much uncertainty, I love Centos 7, top notch stability, and it works in perfect match with Webmin/Virtualmin, that is so friendly to me.
This is a hostile move of Red Hat trying to engulf all Centos installed base one of the biggest in the web server area. It seems to me Red Hat tries to be the M$Linux.
Oracle has done a decent job with Virtualbox, but I am unsure if they will be trusted and safe for web servers.
Best regards
Too much uncertainty, I love Centos 7, top notch stability, and it works in perfect match with Webmin/Virtualmin, that is so friendly to me.
This is a hostile move of Red Hat trying to engulf all Centos installed base one of the biggest in the web server area. It seems to me Red Hat tries to be the M$Linux.
Oracle has done a decent job with Virtualbox, but I am unsure if they will be trusted and safe for web servers.
Best regards