What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

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What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

I can use either CentOS Linux or Stream and it makes no difference to me
17
12%
I will switch reluctantly to CentOS Stream but I'd rather not
8
6%
I depend on CentOS Linux 8 and its stability and now I need a new alternative
31
22%
I love the idea of CentOS Stream and can't wait to use it
11
8%
I'm off to a different distribution before CentOS 8 sunsets at the end of 2021
27
20%
I feel completely betrayed by this decision and will avoid Red Hat solutions in future
44
32%
 
Total votes: 138

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by passthejoe » 2021/04/04 21:40:47

There will soon be two clones, Rocky and Alma, for those who want a traditional downstream RHEL copy.

I've been back and forth on Red Hat's decision to end CentOS 8 support early. At this point I'm looking at Stream as a way to run a way more stable Fedora-style desktop/workstation with much less churn.

Even on the server, the things I do can probably withstand whatever updates are pushed through Stream, and I think that most of the time getting patches earlier — if that actually happens — will help me.

I'm taking a wait-and-see approach and running Stream on my desktop right now.
CentOS Stream 8 on 2017 HP Envy 15 (16 GB RAM, 1 TB Samsung 970 EVO)

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by jlehtone » 2021/04/05 17:20:13

passthejoe wrote:
2021/04/04 21:40:47
There will soon be two clones, Rocky and Alma, for those who want a traditional downstream RHEL copy.
Alma has already released a stable version.
Rocky did postpone. Current RC perhaps at end of this month.

Two clones pose a problem. Which to choose? Which will endure?

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by MartinR » 2021/04/16 10:51:11

I am just in the process of moving from selection to implementation on my home system. I support four "bare metal" Linux boxes, three Windows based laptops and between 6 and 12 VMs, depending upon what I'm investigating. The core server provides a local cloud service, wiki, backups and the usual print/scan. I've just written the following up on the wiki, it may be of interest to some readers (and probably not to others!).

Why change operating system?

Operating systems are continually updated, but every so often a major change is needed. In the Windows world this has lead to Windows-95, Windows-7, Windows-10 etc. CentOS is no different, it has slowly been updated from CentOS 5, CentOS 6 (original system on Tamar and Zodiac), CentOS 7 (current implementation) and shortly CentOS 8. CentOS 7 is due for retirement in 2024 and originally CentOS 8 was due for retirement in 2029. However, RedHat (who own CentOS, and are themselves owned by IBM) have changed policy and will not be supporting CentOS 8 after the end of 2021.

I have been researching alternatives. The aim has been to select:
  • An OS that is reliable and not subject to rapid changes.
  • An OS that is familiar to the family.
  • An OS that will be familiar to assistance sought after I'm unavailable.
The following have been considered:
  • Alma Linux
  • Fedora
  • Mint
  • Open SuSE
  • Oracle Linux
  • Rocky Linux
  • Springdale Linux
Of these Alma was chosen.

Why Alma?

Alma has been chosen as the replacement OS. It fits into the niche left by the demise of CentOS 8 exactly. The system is built from the same sources and should have the same look and feel as CentOS, other than the branding and the colourful background! Two other candidates were in close contention: Rocky Linux and Springdale. Rocky is community led and has a lot of enthusiasm from devotees, but is so far vapourware. There is not yet a beta release out,1) a version may come out possibly next month, but it has already been delayed. Alma released a beta back in March and is now supplying a stable, full featured version. Springdale was another close contender, but is very much a small scale outfit with limited resources.

Given the timelines and the requirement for widespread support, Alma was chosen.

1) As of 16 April 2021

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by sml » 2021/04/26 12:04:18

Looks like Alma is going to be better than CentOS.

1) repository security metadata;

2) more timely updates;

3) *-devel and other packages that were built from source in Koji, but dropped by RHEL and CentOS (e.g. utf8proc-devel, libselinux-static). Yes, that means Alma is not an exact clone of RHEL.

Rocky is community led and has a lot of enthusiasm from devotees, but is so far vapourware.
Looks like despite recent noises about building ISOs, they will miss the release target date again.

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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by AdeshReddy » 2021/04/28 02:17:04

It's no good because many peoples use centos to training red rat enveroment and packs. I keep all my laboratory in the Centos.


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Re: What do you think of the recent Red Hat announcement about CentOS Linux/Stream?

Post by username » 2021/05/17 12:19:12

Red Hat Talks CentOS Past, Present, and Future :
https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/ope ... and-future
You know, we've had CentOS Stream internally since probably RHEL 2, it's just that we would call it a 'nightly build.

-- Mike McGrath, Red Hat's VP of Linux engineering
Alright, fairly honest statement then :lol:

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